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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Nov 29, 2011 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: About that poll; Blair's Thoughts...

Blair Jackson thought he'd comment on Jerry being placed as #46 on the list of all time greatest guitarists. I don't think I disagreed with a word he said. Hear fucking hear!

http://dead.net/features/blair-jackson/another-guitarist-poll-disses-jerry

Cheers Blair.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Nov 29, 2011 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: About that poll; Blair's Thoughts...

Great link to the story Wis, While I agree with a lot of what Blair is saying, I will disagree with the cheap shot to Randy Rhodes, being a huge fan of the early metal scene and a huge fan of Sabbath and early Ozzy, Randy was a phenomenal guitar player and the tragic death comment, come on' man no need for that. This is not towards you Wis by any means more of a criticism of Blair. Now while I would rate Garcia in the top ten ahead of Randy that comment just irked me. I think Rolling Stone kind of sucks and i feel like the writer from Almost Famous now but they are sometimes too interested in politics and the beautiful people to be a great rock mag anymore. Other than that I did disagree with his comment on Bo Diddley but did agree with Ramone being #28, while i enjoy the Ramones not sure about that ranking. I think his reason why people don't put Jerry and Phil high in most lists is spot on, people who don't get the dead don't get the dead and never will. Anyway thanks for the link and I think this will start some good discussion on guitar players but to me way too hard to give a definitive top ten, wayyyy too many good players out there!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: About that poll; Blair's Thoughts...

Right on. I exaggerated a bit. I don't know every guitarist that he mentioned. But as far as I've ever heard Jerry is unique amongst unique guitarists. And yes, RS is a big joke so even considering their list is a bit silly. But great to see someone stand up and make relatively bold comments about our guy. Frankly its more of a diss that bobby isn't on there than jerry being 46.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:17pm
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I agree with you about Jerry he should be up there the man could play anything! Great post as usual wis, they seem to generate some good discussions man

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Nov 29, 2011 3:48pm
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The polls are so stupid And I bet the guitar players would be the first to say it. I love Albert King and its funny they forgot to put him on the list last time. Now hes # 13 Born Under a Bad sign and took Jerry's spot. And how do you compare Mclaughlin, Atkins, Ramone and Didleys anyways. Blair touched on a good point that Jerry played all different styles of music and that alone puts him ahead of alot of these cats.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: About that poll; Blair's Thoughts...

Your last sentence is what I considered quoting in my original post and I think is a good simple reason as to why he was great, the following sentence mentions how he could play all different styles and still sound like himself, these are two biggies. Part of the reason (that im sure a few of you remember) I dissed Clapton is that hes almost all blues, and the blues aint that hard to pull off. I find it doubtful that many guitarists would find it easier to pull off jerry than clapton, or even easier yet, hendrix (ok maybe not the whole playing with teeth while the entire crowd is melting...)

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:45pm
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"and the blues aint that hard to pull off"

ouch! that comment makes me cringe. i have to strongly disagree. as technically easy as it is to play the 12 bar blues, or any blues-based song, the emotional aspect can be extremely hard to pull off! people take for granted how easy people like clapton make it seem.

technical chops don't count for shit in blues music. take b.b. king for example. considered one of the greatest guitarists ever, but surely not for his technical abilities. it's been said he has the greatest phrasing of any guitarist ever. he's got a raw gritty emotion to his music, that is very hard to pull off well. just saying.

i also strongly disagreed with blair's comment on rhodes, but the rest was pretty fair and accurate imo.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Nov 29, 2011 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: About that poll; Blair's Thoughts...

In no particular order other than alphabetical these are the cats that caught my ear, captured my imagination, fed my heart, mind and soul and influenced my playing.

Appearing mostly as innovators, please excuse the exclusion of great technicians such as Mike Campbell, Eddie Van Halen, Pat Metheny and Prince for possessing more technique than soul.

OK, a pie to the face for the Pat Metheny comment. Where the fuck is Jorma on anybodys list? If you possessed the chops to make anybodies list remain certain to be pleased!


Over Thanksgiving we watched the Annie Liebovitz documentary; a compelling life story to say the least ...

Here’s my Top 20 List anybody else?

Duane Allman
Chet Atkins
Jeff Beck
Eric Clapton
Rheinhart Django
Jerry Garcia
Jimi Hendrix
Jorma Kaukonen
Albert King
Leo Kottke
Harvey Mandel
John Mclaughlin
Jimmy Page
Robbie Robertson
Carlos Santana
Paul Simon
Stephen Stills
Pete Townsend
Joe Walsh
Frank Zappa

The exclusion of Bob Dylan and George Harrison were tough choices, the element of the singer/songwriter looms large, but chose to limit the “Best Of” list to 20.



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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 30, 2011 8:09am
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I think I named most of these in a previous, similarly themed thread....

Doc Watson
Tony Rice
Paco de Lucia
Andres Segovia
Django Rheinhardt
Jimi Hendrix
Wes Montgomery
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Eric Clapton
Pat Metheny
Duane Allman
David Gilmour
Wayne Henderson
B.B. King
Brian May
Jerry Garcia
Mark Knopfler
Jeff Beck
Robin Trower
Taj Mahal

The list will change in an hour so nobody should get too lathered up.

I never got into metal (except, gold, silver and truncated-cone hollow point copper jacketed lead) and have very little exposure to what are no doubt extremely talented and accomplished metal shredders.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Nov 30, 2011 6:32pm
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Well, at least an hour has passed and now it's time to update the list.

#21 James Burton

#22 Albert Lee

And agreed, many kudos to Roy Buchanan, bought all of his LP's in the day and only wished my chops were as smooth as this cat. Hey Joe > John's Blues > The Messiah Will Come again ....

Real Name: Leroy Buchanan

Profile: American guitarist and blues musician, born 23 September 1939 in Ozark, Arkansas, USA and died 14 August 1988 when he hanged himself from his own shirt in a jail cell in Fairfax, Virginia, USA.

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Dec 6, 2011 8:28pm
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"I never got into metal (except, gold, silver and truncated-cone hollow point copper jacketed lead)"

Ha! It appears we have much more than just an appreciation of good music in common!

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:51pm
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They left off complete genres I wonder if they had to pick off a list because there is no early jazz players at all.

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Poster: HippyGeorge Date: Nov 30, 2011 4:04am
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I gotta agree with the poster that stated he/she wouldn't have been surprised if Jerry was left off entirely. There are simply a phenomenal number of great guitarists who, for whatever reason, go unsung (Roy Buchanan anyone?).

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 30, 2011 2:10pm
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Abso-fuckin'-lutely with you on Roy Buchanan. So few people are aware of his talent, but one whose opinion I trust had this to say - 'An original country style rock'n'roll guitar player who had a nice tone, amazing chops and was much neglected' said one J. Garcia. The tone was a bit more than just 'nice', though.

It's ommissions like Buch that make these polls worthless. I don't blame anyone, because no-one can hear everything that's out there, or get over their preconceptions. In the end it just fills the spaces between adverts.

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:32pm
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With all possible Grateful Dead bias aside, any list that claims to rank the "Greatest Guitarists" and excludes Robert Johnson from not only the top 10 but allows him to rank at #71 loses every shred of credibility and proves the blatant ignorance of the voters.

The list is garbage.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Nov 29, 2011 9:19pm
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Agreed. But their in the business of turning music as an art form, into simplistic "pop culture" crap thats easy to digest. Anyone that respects great guitarists and music for that matter wouldn't be classifying them into "top 100" rankings. Its actually kind of an insult to every artist on that list except of course Jimi Hendrix.

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: Nov 30, 2011 5:12pm
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You are right, Rolling Stone has a habit of dumbing down music for the mainstream. I used to be a long time reader and it's actually where I discovered the Internet Archive.

Everyone is subject to their own opinion, it is just unfortunate that even when so many "talented" musicians come together, they still can't get it close to being right. (In my opinion)

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Nov 29, 2011 5:48pm
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Good point Scotch!

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Poster: sjanderson82 Date: Dec 1, 2011 6:10am
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so what is it like only listening to boring white guy blues and dad rock, everyone?

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Dec 1, 2011 8:23am
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I will never complain about my life, I have a great wife, two healthy and good kids, a roof over my head and I get to do what I want professionally. I do enjoy my white guy blues and Dad rock though! Good comeback Mr. Anderson!

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 1, 2011 7:22am
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It's dreadful, it's awful, it's tedious and boring, it's corny and embarassing. Life ? don't talk to me about life.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Nov 29, 2011 3:45pm
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I didn't even read the article yet. but I think we can all agree that guitarist polls are totally subjective and pointless. Of course, to deadheads Jerry is in a league of his own. If we were to even make a poll it would be to put Jerry in the #1 spot. Forget all the rest, you've got Jer' who else do you need to listen to. lol!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 30, 2011 3:52am
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I haven't read anything from Rolling Stone in I don't know how many years. It wouldn't have phased me at all if Jerry was left off the list entirely. Why it matters to Blair, or anyone else, is a mystery to me.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 29, 2011 6:18pm
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if i may lend my 2 cents, i find it difficult to feel all that confident when i make some comment or claim, even to myself, that so-and-so should be on some 'best of' list, or higher or lower, etc.; it's not that i can't listen to an artist, or rather, have a long history of listening to an artist (like JG or Jimi), and make some determination as to his or her skills on guitar (or whatever instrument being discussed), and their qualifications for being on a some 'best of' list, it's more the fact that how possibly can i make a claim for some artist's inclusion on a list when i haven't listened to every single artist across the spectrum of possibilities? so, while i consider myself someone who has listened to more than a fair share of music in my life, more than most people i know in person, can i assume that the person or persons putting these lists together have actually listened to every artist in the category under consideration, and with an open and objective mind? the answer of course is 'no', it's impossible; in addition, do i automatically assume that because some artist is adorned with public and/or critical favor, i should without question swallow the verdict of these geniuses? the answer in my case is of course 'no'; at the end of the day, as the Irish say, these lists serve nothing more than to generate argument and discussion and groans; fun, yes, but realistic, hardly

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 29, 2011 11:40pm
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However, I am "consubstantial" with Jerry (and with RT) but with no others. That's why I rate them so high....

and greg ginn doesn't even get a mention? the interplay b/w verlaine and lloyd?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 30, 2011 10:48am
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"the interplay b/w verlaine and lloyd?"

yup exactly, and unequalled in my opinion; nothing spoke technical brilliance, yet profoundly exciting R&R/Punk, than the music delivered by that guitar duo, and yet, how many 'best' lists leave both those gentleman off? really, practically all...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 30, 2011 12:17pm
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Now I'll have to find some boots....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiUUW4zyyV8&;feature=related

Only time I ever saw Tom was in Patti Smith's band when she did her comeback tour after Fred Smith's death. The show in Prague at which Ivan Kral opened (a pal of mine was Ivan's drummer).

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 30, 2011 1:00pm
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i've never seen him, unfortunately, but i keep hoping he'll pop up for a show somewhere nearby, perhaps boston, altho i think his appearances over the last several years are very very few; but at least i have youtube

Television - Fox Hole '78

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Nov 30, 2011 10:03pm
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I must third this as I had a chance to see Verlaine in a solo acoustic show in 88 or 89 in a small club here in Toronto.. simply a stunning performance.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Nov 29, 2011 3:50pm
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From the blog:
"Are these “favorites”? “The best”? “Most influential”?"

haha. When you think about it, only a deadhead would even look into it that much.